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“I’m not sure I would’ve come on the podcast if I knew you were a chess master,” Jonathan Kay said. He just wrote the book, “Your Move: What Board Games Teach Us About Life” with co-author Joan Moriarity.

“Why?” I asked. “Do you just hate chess players?”

“No, it’s intimidating. It’s like a person telling you they went to Harvard or something.”

I didn’t go to Harvard. I went to Cornell. But I didn’t tell him that.

I wanted to focus on what I could learn.

He told me which games teach you economics, history, math. He told me which games teach you how to read people. Or build relationships.

And, most importantly, he told me what makes a good player.

And what makes a bad player:

“Bad players are like people who lack self-awareness in life. They don’t see the whole board.” 

I know I want to be a good player. Not just in games.

But in life.

Here’s a list of what I learned and what we talked about in this episode:



We also did a bonus episode about Jonathan’s book “Among The Truthers: A Journey Through America’s Growing Conspiracist Underground:”


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